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March 29, 2009

The Invisible Edge

"Innovation without protection is philanthropy." - Mark Blaxill and Ralph Eckardt in The Invisible Edge. What a great book. Calling it "well written" is an understatement. Story after story that make the point, as well as entertaining to boot. Anyone with an interest in the business of patents, or the importance of patents, must possess this book. Crucial reading.

Posted by Patent Hawk at March 29, 2009 1:43 PM | Patents In Business

Comments

This book supports Hawks preconceived notions about patents therefor it is the best thang evar.

Although, it might be alright.

Posted by: 6000 at March 29, 2009 2:16 PM

6000,

I take it that you have not read the book.

Gratuitous insult, out of ignorance. Just your style.

Thanks for going out of your way to demonstrate that you are mean-spirited imbecile.

Posted by: Patent Hawk at March 29, 2009 5:55 PM

My disdain for your fanboiism shouldn't be mistaken for disdain for you or the book. All I'm saying is calm down, this is hardly any more required reading than reading: Monopolies lead to huge margins, in econ class.

I'll check the book out if I see it in a bookstore.

Posted by: 6000 at March 29, 2009 7:45 PM

After being banned on PatentlyO for posting pro-patent arguments to offset the increasingly anti-patent tone over there, I agree with the thesis of this book and wonder what the authors think of the derisive term troll. I honestly can't believe that academics such as Crouch think its smart to perpetuate this form of plaintiff bigotry. While there may be smarmy plaintiffs from time to time, the patent rights they are asserting are either legitimate or not.

There is no moral basis for evaluating the legitimacy of the patent right any more than there is a moral basis for denying a criminal due process because we deplore the crime.

Posted by: Just sayin' at March 29, 2009 11:21 PM

If you promise to stop outright unabashedly and nakedly flaming Mooney in every single thread then I might see about sending D a mail to get you unbanned.

Posted by: 6000 at March 30, 2009 7:43 AM

to6000
Hey, little punk, I am sending a team to confiscate your comp so you can no longer pollute the inet with your moronic comments

BTW how'your PTO job coming along ?
Still managing to stay off the layoff rolls ?
How did you manage to get a job in the fitst place ?
gotta love our government...

Posted by: angry dude at March 30, 2009 8:17 AM

Just sayin'

I believe a number of contributors are having similar problems w/ PatObv. I cannot post anything to PatObv from my home laptop, but I can post the exact same comments from work. So I know the problem is not Dennis' annoying hyper-prudish cuss-filter, which won't allow "cuss words" like "yeah."

I've asked Dennis about it. He denied censorship and promised to check his spam filter, but nothing has changed.

I keep seeing comments from others over there with similar complaints, so I suspect it's a technical problem instead of an Orwellian one, but I don't know for sure.

The discussions here are always shorter, but often much more to the point and more helpful.

Posted by: Babel Boy at March 30, 2009 8:28 AM

Ha

I was banned from PatentlyO long time ago after expressing outrage over nomination of Marshall Phelps to IP Hall of Fame alongside with the likes of Thomas Jefferson, James Madison, and Thomas Edison.
(They inducted the SOB anyway)
And since I sit behind the firewall Dennis cut off the rest of the people (about 2000) in my building from commenting on his blog (by employing simple IP filtering)
Alas, none of those people realy care if US patent system gets destroyed
Amen, brothers

Posted by: angry dude at March 30, 2009 9:26 AM

Indeed babel, if I post a comment to PO not using my signed in name on typepad it will fail 100% of the time while saying the post was posted. However, if I have copied the comment to my clipboard and then hit "make another post" and paste in the comment and fill out everything I will then get hit with the captcha and it will post the comment just fine.

If I sign in to my typepad name it usually posts the first time. Sometimes however I have to do it over. So, I keep all comments copied as soon as I post it.

Posted by: 6000 at March 30, 2009 10:04 AM

Too bad Dennis is not filtering out PTO's IP address:
we could finally get rid of 6000

Hey, Hawkie, maybe you could do us all a favor ?

Posted by: angry dude at March 30, 2009 10:12 AM

too easy to Godwin that one.

Posted by: anon at March 30, 2009 10:38 AM

"Thanks for going out of your way to demonstrate that you are mean-spirited imbecile."

He doesn't have to go out of his way to do that. It comes quite naturally.

Posted by: MVS = Most Valuable Stooge at March 30, 2009 10:46 AM

Babel Boy,

I'm afraid Dennis is censoring content. I have made many posts that directly confront Malcolm Mooney, who many suspect is really Dennis (how sad), and these posts have been quickly deleted.

Mooney once made a post along the lines of "Ronald Regan's corpse called, he wants you to stop fellating him" Dennis chose to let this sick post remain while some of my posts that called him out on it were quickly deleted.

I am really starting to question the intellectual integrity over there.

Posted by: Just sayin' at March 30, 2009 5:53 PM

angry dude,

Same thing happened to me. Dennis blocked the IP address of my entire company. The funny thing is, he doesn't seem to think people notice.

I found that, according to Muckety.com, his sponsor, MBHB has ties to Microsoft through a lobbying firm. Also, what with all the Peace Corps stuff, my personal opinion is that Dennis is pretty much an angry liberal with a vendetta against the patent system and patent lawyers in general because he thinks they make too much money.

If he was such a great legal mind, why he didn't last at MBHB during a time when there was too much work? Maybe some real patent lawyer ran him over the coals a few times and this is his idea of revenge.

If Dennis is really behind the Mooney character as many believe, how sad would that be to ascribe all of the vile Mooney BS to Dennis? And then how funny would it be to think about how Dennis put Mooney (possibly himself) up as number one poster a while back.

Posted by: Just sayin' at March 30, 2009 6:03 PM

to 6000

"If you promise to stop outright unabashedly and nakedly flaming Mooney in every single thread then I might see about sending D a mail to get you unbanned."

Mooney (even if he is Dennis) is an know-nothing a$$hole. And the fact that Dennis allows him to post so freely (strange in itself, unless Mooney really is Dennis expressing his real feelings about the patent system), begs dissent.

Dennis is trying to shift opinion using his little puppet show of carefully censored commentators and posters.

Posted by: Just sayin' at March 30, 2009 6:09 PM

Sorry Hawk to use your venue as an outlet, but I think the situation over there at PatentlyO is getting serious. More and more posts seems to try to undermine peoples confidence in the patent system. Of course, to the seasoned veteran, its all been done before, but that doesn't change the potential for negative influence. And there is a lot at stake.

What is kind of funny is that I've watched the tone of the posts traverse a very predictable path of inquiry, e.g. from whether NPEs or trolls are "bad," whether trade secrets are better than patents, whether patents run afoul of anti-trust, and etc. These are all rather classic inquiries and, like Marxism, intelligent minds usually jettison the notions in favor of strong patent rights.

For example, by promoting notions of "patent trolls" as Dennis has been doing, along with other subtle attacks on the system, like calling Judge Rader - who we all know is probably the hardest working individual in patent law - into question, he is undermining every patentee who may at some point wish to enforce their right.

Patents are not to blame for the current economic problems. A strong patent system is most likely the solution out of the present economic quagmire. If anything, big corporations are trying to undermine the system to reduce their bloated costs, while small and medium sized companies that have always been the lifeblood of the U.S. economy with fresh ideas are left to question whether they can proceed in confidence with their patent rights.

Posted by: Just sayin' at March 30, 2009 6:22 PM

Sorry Hawk to use your venue as an outlet, but I think the situation over there at PatentlyO is getting serious. More and more posts seems to try to undermine peoples confidence in the patent system. Of course, to the seasoned veteran, its all been done before, but that doesn't change the potential for negative influence. And there is a lot at stake.

What is kind of funny is that I've watched the tone of the posts traverse a very predictable path of inquiry, e.g. from whether NPEs or trolls are "bad," whether trade secrets are better than patents, whether patents run afoul of anti-trust, and etc. These are all rather classic inquiries and, like Marxism, intelligent minds usually jettison the notions in favor of strong patent rights.

For example, by promoting notions of "patent trolls" as Dennis has been doing, along with other subtle attacks on the system, like calling Judge Rader - who we all know is probably the hardest working individual in patent law - into question, he is undermining every patentee who may at some point wish to enforce their right.

Patents are not to blame for the current economic problems. A strong patent system is most likely the solution out of the present economic quagmire. If anything, big corporations are trying to undermine the system to reduce their bloated costs, while small and medium sized companies that have always been the lifeblood of the U.S. economy with fresh ideas are left to question whether they can proceed in confidence with their patent rights.

Posted by: Just sayin' at March 30, 2009 6:24 PM

For the record, I'm happy for the comments. Have at it.

This blog was always intended as an open forum. I appreciate the divergent views. The more vigorously argued, the better. Contention facilitates understanding.

Gratuitous insults are not to be borne, but it's far above me to not sanction reciprocity in the face of attack. As you can see.

Thank you all.

Posted by: Patent Hawk at March 30, 2009 7:00 PM

"I've asked Dennis about it. He denied censorship"

Well duh! Of course he is going to deny it. Just like he would probably deny being the Mooney character or any of the other characters that have a "dialog" with themselves all day long. What a load of horsecrap.

I also think its funny that he cites his blog as if it were a scholarly journal.

I'm thinking of starting a blog dedicated to dissenting comments to PatentlyO. Stay tuned.

Posted by: Just sayin' at March 30, 2009 7:31 PM

Hey guys. Thanks for posting about the Pat-O censorship thing. I wasn't sure if it was just me getting his posts disappeared off of Dennis' Pat-O site or if it was a problem bigger than that. Maybe it's a tech hiccup Dennis doesn't know/care about or maybe it's an intentional black list of certain IP addresses. Doesn't matter. It is a lousy feeling to spend time & effort typing up a thought only to have wiped off the face of the Earth while Mooney gets to troll on and on at that site. Definitely an anti-patent bias developing at that Pat-O site. Do you think the body snatchers have finally gotten to Dennis?

Hey Just say'in, Good luck with that anti-PO site idea. However, trying to blog every day is a real time and energy drain. Many have good intentions, but few manage to pull it off for a long time. Kudos to Hawk for keeping this site going on a daily basis.

BTW, have you guys noticed a sudden drop in business as of late? A lot of clients deciding to drop out of the patent game due to recession/Depression and the severe anti-inventor bias at the USPTO. Scary.

Posted by: step back at March 31, 2009 2:36 AM

Angry Dude, you have company. I was banned after telling him to go screw himself after he deleted a post of mine. I'm tired of the tone over there, the fake persona, all of which seem anti-patent, while letting "6" get away with murder.

Posted by: johng at March 31, 2009 4:15 AM

"A lot of clients deciding to drop out of the patent game due to recession/Depression and the severe anti-inventor bias at the USPTO. Scary."

stepback, it is not recession/Depression or anti-inventor bias at the USPTO

It is the uncessant anti-patent and anti-inventor hysteria in US mass-media, US Courts and US Congress during the last 5 years which caused many sensible inventors and startups to forgo patent protection and go the trade secret route (or go out of business)
Why spend 25,000 on just filing patent paperwork (after years of R&D and all of the associated expenses) just to have a worthless paper which (in the best case scenario, say one out of ten chance) can only sell for 100,000 (according to the recent Ocean Tomo patent auction data)
Is this a good investment of money ?
Certainly not, it is a horrible investment, a recipe for loosing money
I can find much better ways to invest my hard-earned money even in this down economy, for example, in real estate
Why bother with inventions and patents ?

Posted by: angry dude at March 31, 2009 7:13 AM

I actually chose to vanish from PO before I was banned.

I think the problem is that we (as a nation) are moving fast toward socialism, and as such, there's quite a disdain for patents, and all other kinds of private property and entrepreneurship.

First they came for patents....

Collective crops, collective ideas, collective manufacturing by state run companies, collective markets, and collective thought. I have actually started thinking that Americans have changed and no longer value capitalism (can you blame them after the Wall Street debacle?) I am also thinking that we as a nation no longer value (and thus are no longer fit for) democracy. We want to be ruled over.

Eastern Europe still values its new-found freedoms - perhaps we can watch them fight and flourish!

Maybe patent attorneys should all start brushing up on the law of Inventors' Certificates. We won't need to worry about work if we do - the State promises to take care of us if only we will bow down and fall into line behind their chosen corporations. So much for the great experiment. It is now the minority of people in America who wish to work for uncertain reward rather than receive the certain quota dispensed by the State.

I guess I'll fight till my dying breath....

[wheez, gasssppppp.]

Posted by: NIPRA anonymous (real anonymous) at March 31, 2009 7:39 AM

"And then how funny would it be to think about how Dennis put Mooney (possibly himself) up as number one poster a while back."

He's obviously the no. 1 poster because he's posted probably hundreds, if not thousands of times more than the closest competitor, who may be me.

"Mooney (even if he is Dennis) is an know-nothing a$$hole. And the fact that Dennis allows him to post so freely (strange in itself, unless Mooney really is Dennis expressing his real feelings about the patent system), begs dissent."

So is Michael R. Thomas, worlds only inventor of any renown or significance, but that doesn't mean you should flame him every day.

"while letting "6" get away with murder."

Funny you mention that, I just told a girl down the hall I was getting away with murder in an app just the other night.

NIRPA I do believe that you're getting a little dramatic. And I don't recall you flaming people so much as to risk bananation.

Any of you concerned about censorship should simply ask D if he deletes posts that contain blatant flames or content that is generally off taste. He'll say yes. He's deleted my poasts before, but they weren't very good ones. And I wouldn't doubt if he banned some folks for repeatedly having made him have to delete them.

Posted by: 6000 at March 31, 2009 10:56 AM

Hello there Hawk, and ex-pats from Patently-O, I used to post to Dennis Crouch, but I don't bother much these days. I can't add much that's useful. I continue to read him though. I venture to suggest that the Mooney postings always(?) get through because they are never boring. I'm all in favour of Dennis deleting stuff that his readers will find boring. After all, he has a valuable reputation to nurture.

Posted by: MaxDrei at March 31, 2009 12:50 PM

I must say that the invective and personal attacks do get out of control over at Pat Obv and if Prof Crouch is trying to get it under control, it would be to everyone's benefit. But he should be posting his rules so that participants know what they are, and he should be enforcing them evenly and openly.

I got flamed by Mooney on Pat Obv last year -- accused of inequitable conduct, actually, which is clearly defamation per se, at least in Virginia. The SoL hasn't lapsed yet.

Posted by: Denis O'Brien at March 31, 2009 1:12 PM

I got flamed by Mooney on Pat Obv last year -- accused of inequitable conduct, actually, which is clearly defamation per se, at least in Virginia. The SoL hasn't lapsed yet.

I'm pretty sure that I seconded the accusation. Then we called for a vote and it was unanimous, at least a thousand people felt the same way.

I have to remind you O, there is usually no case to be made when the statements are factual and true.

Here is a rock

And here is a hard place

Between them is you.

"I venture to suggest that the Mooney postings always(?) get through because they are never boring. I'm all in favour of Dennis deleting stuff that his readers will find boring. "

Lol, the englishman speaketh.

Posted by: 6000 at March 31, 2009 2:07 PM

"I'm pretty sure that I seconded the accusation."

When you're identity is revealed, your fate as a PTO lifer will be sealed because in the unlikely event your name ever appears in the Official Gazette as an applicant for registration to practice, OED is going to be deluged with comments.

Posted by: MVS = Most Valuable Stooge at March 31, 2009 2:48 PM

Awww shucks MVS, now you're sounding like someone else I know.

[wheez, gasssppppp. it's getting mighty hard to breathe]

"I'm all in favour of Dennis deleting stuff that his readers will find boring."

[Yawn.]

Why limit it to Dennis, Max? :-)

Denis, if you're saying Mooney defamed you, then are you defaming him if he didn't defame you? (Don't answer that please.) Perhaps you two should bury the hatchet before you get even more into an infinite loop.

Posted by: niRPa at March 31, 2009 3:11 PM

"OED is going to be deluged with comments."

I know right? There'll be people extolling my various virtues, others commenting on how I predicted the "major shift" in the laws concerning the bs interpretations of SS pervading patent law, and that the rules were not substantive etc. etc. etc. There will probably also be others who note that I might be somewhat of a "prophecied one" or "promised one" the one who will lead lawyers out of their self imposed exile from understanding the meaning of the law. Hopefully I'll also get my name on the case that ends Beauregard's foolishness and people will be able to have a direct cite to my explosive work in the field. Frankly, I'm not even sure if I should have to pass the bar or any of that mess, you guys should just write in to have me accepted.

Seriously though, as I've stated time and again, anything I write is purely for entertainment purposes. Including office actions, although usually the only party that appreciates this is me.

If you're that curious who I am you can always ask.

Posted by: 6000 at March 31, 2009 7:45 PM

6000

Next to Mooney, you are the biggest boor at PatO.

As for my original point, whether or not Mooney "is never boring," "naive" Max or "you shouldn't flame him every day" atoms-fall-out-of-wires 6000 is waaay secondary, ARE YOU KIDDING ME???

1) its not whether Mooney is boring or not, if he is Dennis posting in congnito and deleting similarly entertaining posts, its creepy and unethical.

2) Every post that Mooney makes is a flame and to delete counter flames is really outrageous.

The fact that Crouch is a professor of patent law and the blog has the ability to influence applicants (many times wrongly) coupled with the notion that he could be engaging in this kind of chikanery is deplorable and people should know the truth, especially from someone who gushed about the Obama administration as being "transparent."

Posted by: Just sayin' at March 31, 2009 11:18 PM

"2) Every post that Mooney makes is a flame and to delete counter flames is really outrageous."

Ok, you obviously do not understand what the word flame means. Look it up. Then stop it.

Posted by: 6000 at April 1, 2009 7:05 AM

Oh, gawd, now we've got IQ=6 screwing up this blog, too. Next thing you know Moonbeams will come stumbling in.

"If you're that curious who I am you can always ask."

Yeah, I'm curious. Who are you? My guess is that O'Brien's curious, too.

Posted by: Babel Boy at April 1, 2009 7:46 AM

Don't tell anyone, but I'm really examiner6k in disguise .>

If you're curious who examiner6k is, I can tell you, but I will have to kill you. Are you and O'brien prepared for that? Meet me at midnight Wed. one fortnight from today in the alley way between Remson and Robeks.

Posted by: 6000 at April 1, 2009 11:06 AM

"Meet me at midnight Wed. one fortnight from today in the alley way between Remson and Robeks."

Right. Like a chicken shit like you would actually show.

Posted by: MVS = Most Valuable Stooge at April 1, 2009 11:50 AM

"Ok, you obviously do not understand what the word flame means."

OK "atoms fall out of wires" 6, I'm not the one with problems understanding things... I think you obviously do not understand what I mean when I say that every post that Mooney makes is essentially a flame (garbage this, dog crap that, Ronald Regan's corpse called he wants you to stop fellating him).

If Mooney is Dennis, he is one sick puppy.

Posted by: Just sayin' at April 1, 2009 5:37 PM

Might be just a temporary glitch, but patently-o.com currently has a go-daddy holder page.

Posted by: breadcrumbs at April 1, 2009 8:28 PM

Might be just a link issue - googling gets me to typepad and to the blog, the direct link I had in my pda and "favorites" on my home pc took me to the go-daddy page.

Posted by: breadcrumbs at April 1, 2009 8:40 PM

"I think you obviously do not understand what I mean when I say that every post that Mooney makes is essentially a flame "

I believe you said that they were flames originally, now you've changed your tune to essentially flames. Newsflash, they're not usually actual flames. Cave, you've been flaming him long since before he perhaps occasionally peripherally "flamed" you. And whether or not it gets deleted is dependent on what the content of the message is no doubt. If you eventually got banned don't act like you don't only have yourself to blame. You're a lawyer, surely you're well versed in the "Thumper's Mom" logic of just STingtFU.

Like I've said, I've had posts deleted before. It isn't the end of the world. You need to just cool your jets and either be chill about the whole thing n then perhaps come back, or not, or continue to let it eat away at you for no reason. I promise your mooney flaming site won't be that popular. Those kinds of sites never are.

Posted by: 6000 at April 2, 2009 12:51 PM

6000,

Face it, there are many things in this world that you just "don't get." Its not about who flamed who. Its about the mere thought that Mooney is really Dennis. It should be (and is for most people) cause of outrage. Most people think its either just plain wrong, creepy and possibly unethical - especially when coupled with censorship.

Your lack of outrage and focus on some side issue like flaming pretty much indicates you lack of appreciation for what is and is not important.

But then again, I knew that when you demonstrated your ignorance of simple precepts of electrical engineering.

I think its pretty much unanimous that everyone wishes you would STFU. My guess is you won't, and you'll probably post some drab seriatim reply to this post.

Posted by: Just sayin' at April 2, 2009 11:26 PM

Far be it from me to ever come to the aid of IQ=6, who can spoil a good blog quicker than a spoonful of maggots can spoil a Chinese dinner, but I'd really like to see if this string of comments can hit 100.

Besides, Just sayin's last comment is Just drippin' with irony and hypocrisy, and I can't resist. As I understand his/her position, he/she is railing against Dennis for censorship while simultaneously attempting to censor IQ=6 under the time-tested doctrine of STFU, and that don't stand for "Southern Texas Farsi University."

Now, I believe it was the USSCt who concluded that the proper remedy for bad speech is not censorship but good speech to the contrary. But I don't think "STFU" qualifies as good speech to the contrary. It sounds more like the kind of profane invective we often get from "Just an ordinary inventor", who, I suspect, is the same or very similar to "Just sayin"

Posted by: Babel Boy at April 3, 2009 8:28 AM

I post a lot of questionable stuff on Dennis's site and I don't think I've ever been censored. He's even e-mailed me offline. I'm not buying this "Dennis=Mooney" thing. Though I don't doubt Dennis deletes some posts for whatever reasons.

I like Hawk's policy. We're adults. The language can get a little salty, the posts can get a little personal. No big whoop.

6 is an irritant. But I agree with Babel Boy. And I don't. 6 is easy to ignore. And he's not. So sometimes it's best to respond to him. And sometimes it's best to just ignore him.

But it is worth reading his nonsense to find out what the current effects of PTO (mis)management brain washing are.

I don't think this thread's getting to 100.

Posted by: JohnDarling at April 3, 2009 8:44 AM

"Its about the mere thought that Mooney is really Dennis. "

I've been overlooking this for your sake so that I wouldn't have to dismiss you out of hand as a nutjob conspiracy theorist.

"I think its pretty much unanimous that everyone wishes you would STFU. My guess is you won't, and you'll probably post some drab seriatim reply to this post."

Ok Ill stop talkin 2 u nao, bye

"It sounds more like the kind of profane invective we often get from "Just an ordinary inventor", who, I suspect, is the same or very similar to "Just sayin""

Idk babel, I don't recall JAOI being that profane, and I wouldn't say I think Just is JAOI. However, the irony in your thinking Sayin' is JAOI while Sayin' is saying that D pretending to be mooney so he can flame away etc. is not lost on me.

Posted by: 6000 at April 3, 2009 8:49 AM

"He's even e-mailed me offline."

How did he accomplish this?

"I don't think this thread's getting to 100."

Not without me it isn't.

I'm done discussing this, Just plainly isn't remorseful at all, and plainly he will need to be in order to come back. While I also agree that we are adults and should have pretty much free reign in what is posted, D apparently disagrees. It is his blog so you can either play by his rules or ... play by his rules.

And nobody in their right mind would believe MM=D. I doubt D has a strong background in Bio, and I'll bet you could pepper MM with bio questions and he'd answer them all within a couple of minutes without breaking a sweat. Plainly this you could not do to D.

And I should add, the reason I'm irritating is because I'm right so much of the time :)

Posted by: 6000 at April 3, 2009 9:05 AM

"And I should add, the reason I'm irritating is because I'm right so much of the time :)"

Like I said, it is interesting to see the effects of PTO (mis)management's brain washing program. :-)

Posted by: JohnDarling at April 3, 2009 9:17 AM

Venture back to patently-o to see someone place a smackdown on 6 at:

http://www.patentlyo.com/patent/2009/03/tuesdays-with-aaron/comments/page/2/#comments

OUCH! 6, it appears that you still have egg on your face.

Posted by: sunny side up at April 3, 2009 2:52 PM

John, he has emailed you offline and not deleted your posts because you don't post anonymously. And I've read your posts and they are not all that salty, especially compared to Mooney posts such as "Ronald Regan's corpse called he wants you to stop fellating him"

If you really don't think its possible that Mooney is really Dennis, than maybe you are the one who is brainwashed. With all due respect of course.

I have been deleted many times just for going head to head with Mooney's BS. As for 6, begging him to STFU is a far cry from deleting his posts and hardly constitutes "censorship." He is not easy to ignore because he insists on long winded seriatim posts that try to address every comment that is made since the last time he posted. Its like high school. But you're right it is kind of amusing to observe him as an example of the PTO's latest recruiting efforts.

Posted by: Just sayin' at April 3, 2009 9:38 PM

*then* maybe...

Posted by: Just sayin' at April 3, 2009 9:41 PM

"no-one in their right mind..."

I'm not the only one who thinks this 6000. Of course you're the guy who think atoms fall out of wires. If that is what constitutes a "right mind" then I am even more confident of where I stand on this issue.

Posted by: Just sayin' at April 3, 2009 9:43 PM

"And nobody in their right mind would believe MM=D. I doubt D has a strong background in Bio, and I'll bet you could pepper MM with bio questions and he'd answer them all within a couple of minutes without breaking a sweat. Plainly this you could not do to D."

And 6000 also strongly believes that Pro Wresting is real.

(its not a coincidence that there are so many "zeroes" after 6...)

Posted by: Just sayin' at April 3, 2009 9:47 PM

The bottom line, and I'm surprised at you JD for not getting this, is that if Dennis is deleting posts, whether he is Mooney or not, it means that the posts you see are the ones that fit his little agenda, which is becoming more and more anti-patent with Mooney, the pied piper of "all patents are crap" acting as his mouthpiece. If you want to know what Dennis really thinks, just carefully read the tone of Mooney's posts.

Again, whether or not Mooney is Dennis, the tone has been fully endorsed by Dennis by his actions and pretty much is this: that big companies who infringe should not be subject to paying large damages to small patentees, because he worked in the PeaceCorps and think Americans make too much money. This type of thinking will set back entrepreneurship in the U.S. by centuries, especially if the U.S. goes the way of Europe and reduces patent practice to mere registration. "Infringement" suits will be hand waving sessions between big companies for show purposes and result in nothing beside a government sponsored re-allocation of resources. That's called socialism.

If this agenda succeeds, then when the dust settles, the only people with a job will be Government and Microsoft sycophants.

When you guys are all out of work because the patent system has been ruined by this kind of nonsense, please don't come knocking at my door for a can of SPAM.

Posted by: Just sayin' at April 3, 2009 9:59 PM

I've had some posts disappear into the ether over there. Never gave it much thought.

There are plenty of anti-Mooney posts at Patently-O. Leopold, Lionel, NAL, BabelBoy, and others. I enjoy reading all of the posts.

Posted by: JohnDarling at April 4, 2009 6:05 PM

Hey Just sayin', can't you just ignore Mooney?

Remember, those who talk the loudest are the ones who are being listened to the least... and that's why they're talking to the loudest. (You can see sad but true examples of this in kids that have to grow up without attentive loved ones.)

Perhaps you're listening, to him, too much.

Posted by: niRPa at April 5, 2009 3:08 AM

niRPa

Of course I can, do and have ignored Mooney. But my problem is that, with some of his more obnoxious and insulting and inflammatory posts such as "Ronald Regan's corpse called he wants you to stop fellating him," (not to mention the constant stream of computer related inventions are crap) I was motivated to post an equally snarky response, which was deleted, while the grossly offensive Mooney post remained.

This presumably is because Dennis, if not making the post himself, by letting it stand fully endorses this kind of commentary (if not, he would have deleted it with equal dispatch liked he deleted my counter post).

That, basically, is why I am pi$$ed off. Also, while you can ignore the posts, by letting them stand and deleting dissenting posts, Dennis is tryinig to create an anit-patent "all patents are crap" drum beat.

I strongly object to that kind of approach for pushing that kind of agenda especially for someone who has captured an audience among practitioners. It is intellectually dishonest at best and unethical at worst. It is also extremely hypocritical for someone who purports to value "transparency."

Posted by: Just sayin' at April 5, 2009 4:05 AM

STFU, aka Just Sayin', is just trying to apply the Bush doctrine to blogs; i.e., even if you are not a blog-terrorist yourself, if you harbor blog-terrorists we are going to flame you. And it's working about as well as the Bush doctrine has worked with Pakistan.

What STFU, aka Just Sayin', is just not seein' is that Moonbeams, by playing not just the role of Devil's advocate but the Devil himself/herself (has anyone ever checked the Devil's gender?), is what makes Pat Obv "work."

Go back to one of those 100+ PatObv threads, remove all of the idiot Moonbeam comments and all of the comments in response and what are you left with? -- nothing but the idiot IQ=6 comments and responses to those.

And here's the freakin' kicker: PatObv keeps getting high rankings in the IP blogs!! It's because Moonbeams and IQ=6 keep on generating talk-back. They have turned PatObv into the Rush Numbballs show of the IP blogosphere. When Dennis censors valid responses to Moonbeams, he is, in effect, doing a Numbballs hang-up on the liberal callers with good points.

The best way to deal with Moonbeams, IQ=6, and Dennis' censorship, perceived or real, is to let your fingers do the walkin'. Find another blog.

As with listening to Rush Numbballs, I, personally, often get a chuckle out of all of the invective and bloated bantering over at Pat Obv. But more and more, it's a waste of my time to draft responses just to have them deleted, even if they do get past Dennis' moronic cuss-checker.

Posted by: Babel Boy at April 5, 2009 8:26 AM

Babel has a good point about the generator effect of both Malcolm and 6. One of these days you just hope that either can man up to a valid point and you keep turning in to see if that may happen.

As far as censoring goes, up to this point, I have had more of my posts deleted from The Patent Prospector than from Patently-O.

Posted by: Noise above Law at April 5, 2009 10:38 AM

Of course, the censorship count is a little biased. The single time I was 'censored" on the Prospector when was when I forgot to type "patent" in the anti-bot box and mypost could not be retrieved.

Posted by: Noise above Law at April 5, 2009 10:46 AM

Babel Boy,

You political jabs are infantile. Sure, Bush controlled the weather and made a hurricane strike New Orleans, Bush made 9/11 happen, Bush made cows stop milking and the flowers stop blooming, Bush, Bush, Bush...

Who are you going to blame when business dies due to socialism?


"generating talk back..."

I guess what you're saying is that you think the patent audience is dumbed down to the extent that some some sleazy radio station DJ trick with the cast of characters is going to sway opinion. All you're doing is making my point for me, on many levels no less. You're making the point that you are a m0r0n, that Dennis is using a puppet show to drag in clicks, and that he censors posts along the lines of "hanging up on listeners" and you think its OK.

If you are a patent practitioner, you are a sad excuse for a professional.

Whatever the reason, if Dennis is behind it, it is creepy. And you haven't discounted the possibility that Dennis' opinions really are reflected in Mooney, which is also freakin' sad since Mooney appears to be an angry gay man.

Posted by: Just sayin' at April 5, 2009 5:37 PM

STFU, aka Just Sayin', aka Just Another Ordinary Troll (tm) -- actually, just another homophobic defender of Bush (and, no doubt, Cheney). Gawd, just what this world needs. . .

But you have piqued my curiosity. What is it that cows milk? Other cows?

Who am I going to blame when business dies due to socialism? Bush. He's the one that got us into this mess.

Yes, very perceptive, Troll -- I was making your point for you.

Posted by: Babel Boy at April 6, 2009 12:30 AM

"The best way to deal with Moonbeams, IQ=6, and Dennis' censorship, perceived or real, is to let your fingers do the walkin'. Find another blog."

That is the best free advice I've heard from a blog comment.

Useful patent blogs that I have bookmarked (with how I personally feel about each blog after the hyphen) are:

PO - academic slant (head-knowledge/statistics valued over the realities/constraints/insights of practice); frequent non-professional mental m*sturbation from some commenters adds hits at a huge professional "opportunity cost" (quantity over quality)
Peter Zura's 271 Patent Blog - no perceptible slant
Patent Prospector - pro-small-business/NPE slant, pro-software patent slant; near-perfect (patented??) blog format; (this is my personal favorite blog for cutting quickly to the chase, even though I am against software patents and business method patents without evidenced actual reduction to practice, e.g., without source code disclosure; thank you Hawk)
PatentDocs - pro-bio slant; otherwise, the most in-depth and well-reasoned posts
IPBiz - interesting solo opinion (well, I think Lawrence is solo)
IP Watchdog Blog - pro-patent-system/innovation slant
Patent Baristas - no perceptible slant (bio/pharma emphasis)
Just a Patent Examiner - no perceptible slant; excellent insight; (I think there is a huge difference between JPE and 6K, and how they approach the problems of the patent system from the inside)

I don't think any of the slants are wrong necessarily (I have my own slants too), and anonymous commenting is good, within reason. That said, all, know thy enemy.

(I always thought PO had the most unrealized potential. Perhaps I was wrong.)

"Who are you going to blame when business dies due to socialism?"

Bush. (And I voted for him but have not kept my eyes closed since.) Obama is just following his and Paulson's trailblazing steps (state-sponsored big business, publicly-funded mortgages, and publicly-insured Wall Street risk) in that regard. Bush may have, in fact, killed Democracy (doh, by abandoning capitalistic principles to preserve capitalism, lol).

O.K., that's my last word, Just sayin'... you may have yours....

Posted by: niRPa at April 6, 2009 2:56 AM

Not sure how, for example, pushing socialized medicine is not socialism, and I don't recall Bush doing that. Not sure how cozying up to gushing Europeans is not sliding down the slippery slope to socialism. Bush never did that. The problem is when America realizes what socialism really is, it will be too late. The problem with socialism, it that it looks all warm and fuzzy until you're caught up in it and it ruins the productive element of your society. If everything is Bush's fault, why have the markets been so unkind to Obomba?

Posted by: Just sayn' at April 6, 2009 5:28 AM

And, for the record, I'm not a homophobe, some of my best haircuts were done by angry gay men.

Posted by: Just sayin' at April 6, 2009 5:33 AM

And, for the record, I'm not a homophobe, some of my best haircuts were done by angry gay men with scissors.

Posted by: Just sayin' at April 6, 2009 5:33 AM

And, for the record, I'm not a homophobe, some of my best haircuts were done by angry gay men armed with scissors.

Posted by: Just sayin' at April 6, 2009 5:34 AM

DC = MM = MD = 6k(?)

The camel's nose is in the tent.

Posted by: DC = MM = MD = 6k(?) at May 12, 2009 7:17 AM